We don't discuss grammar and spelling. We make those comments on printed copies and return those to the authors. These written comments raised several questions in my mind. I'm going to limit this post to one of them: What are the rules about paragraph structure in fiction?
This question came up when I noticed that seven out of seven critquers did not like my paragraphs - especially any paragraph deemed to be long. If all seven had agreed on how the long passages should be chunked, the question may not have reared its ugly head. However, seven critiquers generally provided seven different approaches to paragraphing.
Here is one example from an original draft:
It would have been ever so gracious of her to at least cross the threshold before she started in on me. But then, she wouldn’t be our Ms. Ruth, now, would she? She greeted me with, “It’s about time, girlee. Don’t you know any better than to keep Mrs. Weaver’s guests waiting on the sidewalk like commoners?” She always called Ms. Weaver “Mrs.” I guess she knew Ms. Weaver was never married and hated to be called “Mrs.” Anyway, Ms. Ruth took a breath and stepped in before ordering me to the kitchen. “I’m parched from having to breathe all that dust. You should know by now not to leave your betters standing around on the street while you do God knows what. You hustle on into that kitchen and fetch me a large iced tea. Make it sweet and don’t even think about charging me for it. It’s your fault I’m so thirsty.”I obviously thought one paragraph would do here. One critiquer agreed with me and made no marks.
Four critiquers thought this should be broken into two paragraphs, but offered four different break points. Three of those focused on the dialogue and one suggested the second paragraph begins with "Anyway, Ms. Ruth took a breath...."
One person thought I needed three paragraphs and one thought I needed four.
This example is not an exception, it is typical of the paragraphing comments I'm receiving. So, I researched. I checked my trusted Chicago Manual of Style - which disappointed me for the first time in a very long time. Chicago was silent on paragraph rules (or I simply wasn't smart enough to locate the information). I Googled. I even cracked open several of the writing and grammar books parked on the corner of my desk. Did I find anything definitive? No.
So, I have some questions for you.
1) Are there rules for paragraph structure in fiction? If yes, where can I read them?
2) If you were editing (or writing) the above example, how many paragraphs would you create? Why?
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Charlotte,
ReplyDeleteGreat topic, and I'm with you on your first question. I've never located any written guidelines, and the editors at my company have different approaches to this subject.
So I've forged my own theories, and based on them I would divide the passage into four paragraphs.
My second paragraph would begin, "She greeted me with...," to show that Mrs. Ruth has begun to speak.
When the narrator provides information about her, beginning with "She always called...," I would begin a third paragraph.
And the fourth would start with "Anyway, Mrs. Ruth took a breath...," which I consider the equivalent of "Mrs. Ruth said."
So I would provide breaks to distinguish the narration from the dialogue, but I'm certainly interested in what my colleagues think.
I'd break it into two paragraphs, the second starting with "Anyway, Mrs. Ruth ,,," But I'd leave out the 'Anyway'.
ReplyDeleteExcellent topic, one that is not much talked about but everyone has their ways of doing it. Two paragraphs work well for me:
ReplyDeleteIt would have been ever so gracious of her to at least cross the threshold before she started in on me. But then, she wouldn’t be our Ms. Ruth, now, would she? She greeted me with, “It’s about time, girlee. Don’t you know any better than to keep Mrs. Weaver’s guests waiting on the sidewalk like commoners?” She always called Ms. Weaver “Mrs.” I guess she knew Ms. Weaver was never married and hated to be called “Mrs.”
(delete "anyway" and start new paragraph with the change/turn in the scene)
Ms. Ruth took a breath and stepped in before ordering me to the kitchen. “I’m parched from having to breathe all that dust. You should know by now not to leave your betters standing around on the street while you do God knows what. You hustle on into that kitchen and fetch me a large iced tea. Make it sweet and don’t even think about charging me for it. It’s your fault I’m so thirsty.”
From the small piece you've given, it's difficult to tell if this is a telling of a memory or something happening on-scene. Whether the character is recalling something from the past or showing what is currently happening, the scene will be more immediate and pull in the reader if it's "live." By doing that, you take down the wall between the reader and the story. I would rework it like this:
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It would have been ever so gracious of her to at least cross the threshold before she started in on me. But then, she wouldn’t be our Ms. Ruth, now, would she?
“It’s about time, girlee. Don’t you know any better than to keep Mrs. Weaver’s guests waiting on the sidewalk like commoners?”
She always called Ms. Weaver “Mrs.” I guess she knew Ms. Weaver was never married and hated to be called “Mrs.”
Ms. Ruth took a breath and stepped in before ordering me to the kitchen. “I’m parched from having to breathe all that dust. You should know by now not to leave your betters standing around on the street while you do God knows what. You hustle on into that kitchen and fetch me a large iced tea. Make it sweet and don’t even think about charging me for it. It’s your fault I’m so thirsty.”
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Making the scene "immediate" puts the reader IN the scene instead of listening to a re-telling of the events.
That's my two cents, anyway.
I like to write like the way that I enjoy reading. If I'm considering buying a book and find as I'm thumbing through it that many paragraphs take a half or the entire page, I put it back. Long paragraphs tend to be boring and mundane. Just my opinion.
ReplyDeleteJohn W.
I'm definitely with the school of more paragraphs, especially if dialogue between characters offers those natural paragraph breaks. The more, the merrier, not to mention easier to read and follow.
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It would have helped to know more about what kind of book this is because a literary novel can have longer paragraphs without breaking for the dialogue when it is all related like in this sample.
ReplyDeleteCommercial fiction tends to have more breaks, and I would format it the way Shelley suggested.
Charlotte,
ReplyDeleteI'm not sure if you're responsible for this or not, but...
It's so difficult to read your quotes as you've posted them. The light grey on darker gray doesn't have enough contrast.
Black on white is always the best choice.
Just trying to help.
I always use paragraph breaks for every new dialogue speaker and significant point of action or thought. In other words, lots of short paragraphs.
ReplyDeleteGreat topic. I would make the paragraph into four paragraphs. I do not know the rules about paragraph, but I usually start a paragraph for different characters speaking shown with quotation marks.
ReplyDeleteI have a tendency to start a new paragraph when introducing a new thought pattern expecially if it would cause confusion if I continue on.
Hope that make sense?
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Thank you all for your generous comments. You've given me much to think about - and edit.
ReplyDeleteI want the reader IN the story, which is short fiction piece - and far from literary. At the moment, it is light and fluffy, but Mark suggested a very dark turn that I'm considering.
I agree, the light gray is hard to read. Blogger does this for me, but I can change it.
ReplyDeleteWhen you're writing a script, the advice is lots of white space. While I don't go as drastic as that,I am aware of the white space on my pages. As one poster noted, it makes the page more inviting to the reader.
ReplyDeleteThis is an interesting topic. As I think about it, I realize I do have some personal rules for how I break up paragraphs.
Hmmm, will need to think on this some more!
Hi, This is a great topic.
ReplyDeleteI have a journalism background, so I like short paragraphs. And I think with today's short attention spans, that helps readers stay focused.
My rule of thumb is to start a new paragraph for dialogue. I would divide it into 4 paragraphs, too. And I would do it the same as Shelley suggested.
Great discussion. Thanks!
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I wrote on the subject some time back on my writing blog. Here's a fast link
ReplyDeletehttp://marilynnbyerly.com/marilynnbyerly/paragraphlengths.html
Marilynn,
ReplyDeleteI'd love to read what you wrote about paragraphs, but the link got cut off. I found your blog through your webpage, but couldn't find the paragraph post. Can you try one more time to post the link here?
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So did you ever find rules for this? Aside from the pretty obvious rule of each paragraph having only one speaker, I don’t know of any in fiction writing, and I just go with my gut whenever the question comes up.
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