tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5704943052235281766.post4804970153207647830..comments2024-03-18T01:49:03.153-06:00Comments on Blood-Red Pencil: Back to School for Business MathDanihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14471919576687777886noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5704943052235281766.post-43008446805749289362011-08-19T06:35:59.907-06:002011-08-19T06:35:59.907-06:00Jodie: For clients dedicated to going the distance...Jodie: For clients dedicated to going the distance, I offer a diminishing price for developmental edits: $3/page first round, $2/page next round (includes copy edit), $1 each for the pages affected by any remaining changes. Since at this point I'm in it up to my eyeballs, I suggest they go elsewhere for a proofread. Sadly, very few clients take advantage of this. When they do, it is so rewarding for me. <br /><br />But I get it--the economy is tough, the outcome so uncertain--but I like to believe that they at least take advantage of knowledgeable critique partners at this point so that all our hard work isn't thwarted by typos!Kathryn Crafthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08371458857187160425noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5704943052235281766.post-47838629916046539742011-08-18T20:25:48.691-06:002011-08-18T20:25:48.691-06:00It's a nice article,thankyouIt's a nice article,thankyousewa mobilhttp://griyamobilkita.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5704943052235281766.post-52154983962356997732011-08-17T19:02:23.973-06:002011-08-17T19:02:23.973-06:00After the developmental edit for all the "big...After the developmental edit for all the "big-picture" issues, do your clients then go elsewhere for a copyedit and final proofread, Kathryn? Or how does that work, after they've done revisions based on your suggestions re plot, characterization, pacing, point of view, etc.?Jodie Rennerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17180607353893233389noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5704943052235281766.post-36762839647385284012011-08-17T18:43:12.391-06:002011-08-17T18:43:12.391-06:00Dani's last comment, about editing the edits, ...Dani's last comment, about editing the edits, is so true. Chiropractors know the same, that adjusting one element of the spine can throw another part out of whack. Many books need more than one developmental edit. But when that arc has the right spring, and it all comes together, it suddenly doesn't feel like craft at all. It feels like magic.Kathryn Crafthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08371458857187160425noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5704943052235281766.post-8815439085433143592011-08-17T14:30:45.090-06:002011-08-17T14:30:45.090-06:00Great! Thanks for this interesting info!Great! Thanks for this interesting info!buy essay onlinehttp://paramountessays.com/essaynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5704943052235281766.post-43284199731989130622011-08-17T14:08:40.789-06:002011-08-17T14:08:40.789-06:00Oh, and be sure to edit your edits, too. All that ...Oh, and be sure to edit your edits, too. All that revision can cause problems. Especially when you're talking about more than one books. ;)Danihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14471919576687777886noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5704943052235281766.post-32137903278115414052011-08-17T14:06:46.116-06:002011-08-17T14:06:46.116-06:00What kind of an edit, Star?What kind of an edit, Star?Danihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14471919576687777886noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5704943052235281766.post-45787144455145531592011-08-17T14:05:51.196-06:002011-08-17T14:05:51.196-06:00I think you can write and make a living at it. I k...I think you can write and make a living at it. I know many authors who do. Part of the issue might be the brainwashing we have been exposed to about getting rich through our bestsellers. I think a good exercise for authors is to determine how much money they need every month (just to live), and then break down what book products they need "out there" to bring the income flow. It's pretty easy math to figure out 5,000 e-books in one month at $.99 = close to $5,000 in income. This is not an unusual scenario these days in self-publishing. If you have more than one books in the pipeline, even better. Consider a combination of self-publishing and traditional publishing. Lots of old titles are being offered via e-books. There are more options than ever and especially if you can break out of old patterns of thinking. Like how much money you REALLY need.Danihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14471919576687777886noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5704943052235281766.post-23860473762691979492011-08-17T14:01:26.708-06:002011-08-17T14:01:26.708-06:00A good way to look at this issue! Well-said.!A good way to look at this issue! Well-said.!Heidiwriterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02593338979995203659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5704943052235281766.post-85906942407684201772011-08-17T13:48:30.486-06:002011-08-17T13:48:30.486-06:00Star: Ah, more math! I charge $3/page. The pages m...Star: Ah, more math! I charge $3/page. The pages must be formatted per industry standards, outlined at my website, http://www.writing-partner.com. That formatting usually works out to about 250 words/page.<br />So 39,500 ÷ 250 = 158 pages.<br />158 x 3 = $474.<br />For PA residents I must charge a 6% state tax on that amount.<br /><br />This puts me nowhere near the industry standard set by the Editorial Freelancers Association, which suggest charging $60-$80 per hour for developmental editing (my specialty), because I also type up a detailed manuscript evaluation. But it keeps me in steady work, and my clients can more easily budget if they know how much I charge per page--hourly is too frightening for many.<br /><br />You have me intrigued though--that's a short book! Is it a short middle grade novel? Or some sort of gift book? Or are you taking advantage of the greater flexibility that e-publishing can offer?Kathryn Crafthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08371458857187160425noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5704943052235281766.post-44525525193897882402011-08-17T13:03:32.935-06:002011-08-17T13:03:32.935-06:00so what do you charge to edit a book of 39,500 wor...so what do you charge to edit a book of 39,500 words?Stella Joneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06699491230987143490noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5704943052235281766.post-14917279213548532722011-08-17T10:06:50.031-06:002011-08-17T10:06:50.031-06:00Maryann: I think you're right that more and mo...Maryann: I think you're right that more and more "educated" clients--educated in the ways of this changing industry, that is--now understand that they will have to pay for editing that is more thorough than what they are able to get for free from critique partners.<br /><br />This post is for the others. ;)Kathryn Crafthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08371458857187160425noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5704943052235281766.post-87802941150708066342011-08-17T09:56:04.908-06:002011-08-17T09:56:04.908-06:00Kathryn, thanks for stepping out to cover this top...Kathryn, thanks for stepping out to cover this topic. Since most of us who edit are writers, too, there is that tension between not wanting to gouge a writer, yet needed to be fairly compensated for our time and expertise. I have been lucky that this past year, I have had fewer clients question my rates. They seem to understand the importance of getting their work edited.<br /><br />And as I have stated before, I fully intend to get my current WIP professionally edited before I try to market it.Maryannwriteshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09479027709233807149noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5704943052235281766.post-61280028263884767232011-08-17T09:39:06.114-06:002011-08-17T09:39:06.114-06:00Terry: How true. Very few authors make enough mone...Terry: How true. Very few authors make enough money to live on, and the up-front investment is hard to substantiate when the reward is so uncertain.<br /><br />Editing, however, is one way to obtain the reward you can control: the knowledge that you've put forth your best effort.Kathryn Crafthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08371458857187160425noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5704943052235281766.post-84717917119476109692011-08-17T09:21:06.003-06:002011-08-17T09:21:06.003-06:00The same can be said for writing - we have to surv...The same can be said for writing - we have to survive, yet without investing in our product, we'll never sell books. One conference can counteract a small publisher's advance, and without a sell-through, that's all you'll see. <br /><br />If you're writing to make money -- find another job!<br /><br />Terry <br /><a href="http://terryodell.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">Terry's Place</a><br /><a href="http://www.terryodell.com" rel="nofollow">Romance with a Twist--of Mystery</a>Terry Odellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11610682530545306687noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5704943052235281766.post-70106061703963382972011-08-17T09:08:14.985-06:002011-08-17T09:08:14.985-06:00Dani: What it takes to survive--love the added var...Dani: What it takes to survive--love the added variable. I guess that makes your comment "Business Algebra," lol. But some potential clients seem to think that writing and editing are endeavors blown about by the winds of passion. To get the respect we deserve, we must conduct ourselves as business owners.Kathryn Crafthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08371458857187160425noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5704943052235281766.post-25126085941856807922011-08-17T08:53:32.375-06:002011-08-17T08:53:32.375-06:00To look at it another way: It can easily consume 4...To look at it another way: It can easily consume 40-80 hours working with an author on developmental revisions (much longer when you get into ghostwriting). Easily. Translate that into what a person needs to earn per week to live. That gives you an idea of what an editor needs to charge to do their job.Danihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14471919576687777886noreply@blogger.com