tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5704943052235281766.post661560077244165099..comments2024-03-28T06:59:34.982-06:00Comments on Blood-Red Pencil: Anything but CozyDanihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14471919576687777886noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5704943052235281766.post-4882804574789212622013-05-04T07:55:25.467-06:002013-05-04T07:55:25.467-06:00As a small publisher, I toyed with the idea of usi...As a small publisher, I toyed with the idea of using a rating system because the books I published were typically family reads. In the end, I chose not to. <br /><br />One novel, however, deviated significantly from my typical family-friendly category because it dealt with sexual child abuse and its devastating impact on the life of the victim. (This book was based on fact.) When the author came to me, he'd spent 10 years trying to get the story published and had numerous rejection letters to show for his efforts. Looking me straight in the eye, he said, "You're my last hope." <br /><br />As a never-intended-to-be publisher and a fledgling novelist myself with my first book just out, I agreed to look over his manuscript. It needed a lot of work, but the story (definitely not my type) was terrifyingly compelling. With some trepidation I told him I would edit and publish his book. Why? I'd seen first-hand how such child abuse destroys people, and I felt it was a story that a lot of parents needed to read.<br /><br />While the sex scenes were not offensively graphic, they left no doubt regarding what was happening. The violence, on the other hand, was quite graphic. At the time I considered a content warning and still believe it would have served a good purpose. Would I have used the G, PG, PG14, R, X formula? Probably not. But a warning that some scenes might be troubling to sensitive readers might have been a good idea.<br /><br />This is a great post, one that some of us perhaps should ponder.Linda Lanehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16056682992943171805noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5704943052235281766.post-11980267256199631042013-04-30T17:01:03.851-06:002013-04-30T17:01:03.851-06:00LOL Bob I love the proofread warning idea! (Though...LOL Bob I love the proofread warning idea! (Though at least with Amazon's Search Inside The Book or Kindle's sneak preview you can usually tell writing quality before buying.)<br /><br />Dani, your point is good too: Great writing is great writing, and we don't need curse words to take us to another world compellingly.<br /><br />Kathryn, that's a cool way to "weigh" novels. In Canada the crime fiction world has just introduced an award for lighthearted crime fiction called the Bony Blithe--since the major awards tend to prefer more weight.<br /><br />Terri, that's interesting re: heat ratings. Romance is unfamiliar territory to me (both reading and writing). That's cool to know.<br /><br />Heidi, ha ha. True re: young readers being well beyond shock value, but I know what you mean about not wanting to write hardcore content for a younger audience.<br /><br />Shaunda -- WOW! That sex scene must have been a shock!Robin Spanohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16737267078602007725noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5704943052235281766.post-70946603636642725252013-04-30T16:04:17.989-06:002013-04-30T16:04:17.989-06:00That's a thoughtful post, Robin, but I'm n...That's a thoughtful post, Robin, but I'm not sure I'd want to see or use content labels. The only exception that comes right to mind is my novel "When Pigs Fly," which sounds to some like a children's book but isn't one. I often add the disclaimer to my tweets, "Not for kids." Other than that, I see no reason to warn potential readers.<br /><br />By the same token, I am happy to take my chances with someone else's novels. If any aspect of a story bothers me enough, I'll just stop reading. I guess I wouldn't mind a disclaimer that "This book has not been professionally proofread," but maybe that's too much to ask for.Bob Sanchezhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08350825385315155962noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5704943052235281766.post-23942198553504524492013-04-30T14:16:58.437-06:002013-04-30T14:16:58.437-06:00I'm not really a fan of general ratings, becau...I'm not really a fan of general ratings, because they seem, well,... too general. These days it seems like genres are getting more and more specific, letting readers know what kind of content a book holds (hot suspense, graphic horror, etc). And reviews tend to give a reader a hint, as well as samples of the book that are available on-line in most places. And then there are covers, which can give a hint as well. But I definitely think titles that fall under the broad umbrella of "children's literature" might benefit from ratings. I remember opening a MG/YA book that I had pulled from the shelf in the library--the first scene was a sex scene, and I cringed at the thought of my kids browsing the shelves behind me. That "MG" definitely needed some type of <br />warning. <br /><br />Thanks for the thought-provoking post!<br /><br /><a href="http://shaundawenger.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">Slow Stir</a><br /><br /><br />Shaundahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00888787546136552149noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5704943052235281766.post-54498661158841269712013-04-30T13:37:52.384-06:002013-04-30T13:37:52.384-06:00I read R-rated fiction, but many times I think the...I read R-rated fiction, but many times I think the language gets to be too much. Dropping the F-bomb every other sentence causes it to lose its shock value. There are many ways to get across the idea to readers (and it's more challenging to come up with those)! My books are probably GP-13: I write so that young adult readers can enjoy them (and yes, I know many teens use worse language than I ever thought of!)Heidiwriterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02593338979995203659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5704943052235281766.post-46825602180100902852013-04-30T11:07:54.021-06:002013-04-30T11:07:54.021-06:00I have enough trouble with assigning sub-genres to...I have enough trouble with assigning sub-genres to my books. All Romance eBooks insists on a 'heat level' rating, but that's only for the way the sex is handled. <br />I wouldn't like to create reader expectations with a rating system--everyone's interpretation would be different. What's 'graphic' to one person is run-of-the-mill to another. I've had my books called "porn" and "slightly sensual"--for the same book. <br /><br />(When we used to go out to movies--before moving to the land of no theaters--I always preferred to choose R rated ones because it meant no squirmy screamy kids)<br /><br />Terry <br /><a href="http://terryodell.com/terrysplace" rel="nofollow">Terry's Place</a><br /><br /><br />Terry Odellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11610682530545306687noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5704943052235281766.post-59907499504413992952013-04-30T10:57:37.521-06:002013-04-30T10:57:37.521-06:00Hi Robin, and thanks for this thought-provoking po...Hi Robin, and thanks for this thought-provoking post. I fear the rating of novels. It made my skin crawl that Brenna reveals the type of ending. I fear that relying on ratings will make us lazy in all the ways that typically work to do this—a well-designed cover (I always know erotica!), the carefully worded back cover copy, and the first page that stands as a promise to the reader.<br /><br />For their new Landmark imprint for book club fiction, Sourcebooks (pubbing my debut in Jan 2014) is assigning a type of rating system that will help book clubs successfully pick out novels they'll like. They're assigning "weight" on a one-to-four anchor system: one anchor is for groups that prefer a light, fun read; a four-anchor book offers fodder for deep, weighty conversations. <br /><br />I like that—but it's not rating. You can have sex and language in a light read or a heavy one.Kathryn Crafthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08371458857187160425noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5704943052235281766.post-15068202540699827652013-04-30T10:49:56.879-06:002013-04-30T10:49:56.879-06:00I'm of an age that the edginess factor isn'...I'm of an age that the edginess factor isn't what I judge a book on - or the action for that matter. There are brilliant writers who can string a reader along with nothing but descriptive narrative that is essentially without plot. But we're hooked. Those are the authors that amaze me. How do they do that? I'm exploring an author now who would rate on the milquetoast level - or feel good with exceptional writing - hahaha. Not sure how we'd work that into the rating system. But we should discuss rating systems more. When it comes to romance, maybe milquetoast to habanero? I dunno - it would have to be something the world understands.Danihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14471919576687777886noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5704943052235281766.post-65364917271204822452013-04-30T09:56:52.913-06:002013-04-30T09:56:52.913-06:00Hey good points, all.
Elle, I'm glad you sav...Hey good points, all. <br /><br />Elle, I'm glad you saved yourself a brutal read. Great book, but not for everyone, for sure. <br /><br />Maryann and Brenna, that's interesting that you advise readers already. Smart way to keep your books going to the right readers. <br /><br />Diana, you are truly a creature of contrast. I love it. Kittens in one mood, dark edge in another.<br /><br />Marian - great point. Content advisories would make it even more specific. When my husband and I are watching TV, the warning will often keep us glued to a program we haven't heard of if it tells us there will be "strong language and sexual content" but rarely if it's violence and gore.<br /><br />Christopher - wow, that must have been disappointing! Hopefully you've found a new mentor who's a better match for your work.Robin Spanohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16737267078602007725noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5704943052235281766.post-67980716443263936952013-04-30T08:56:20.676-06:002013-04-30T08:56:20.676-06:00Interesting ... my stories do not contain graphic ...Interesting ... my stories do not contain graphic sex or violence ... but plenty of salty language ... I've spent too much time on golf courses, in poker games and arguing sports in bars to think 'polite' language is real. Now, here's the rest of the story: I once established a connection with a semi-successful author who agreed to review my book and help me with some marketing ideas ... turns out she was totally offended by the language ... never heard from her again. Maybe a rating system would saved me some time.Christopher Hudsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03667548312923348614noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5704943052235281766.post-62868578485447646162013-04-30T08:03:18.527-06:002013-04-30T08:03:18.527-06:00I like the content advisory system better than a r...I like the content advisory system better than a rating system. I can tolerate a fairly high level of bad language, a medium level of sex (I can always skip those bits, if I consider them gratuitous), a medium-low level of physical violence, and no sexual violence.<br /><br />Marian Allen<br /><a href="http://MarianAllen.com" rel="nofollow">Fantasies, mysteries, comedies, recipes</a>Marian Allenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15842321321484056422noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5704943052235281766.post-88171506469076766412013-04-30T07:23:04.418-06:002013-04-30T07:23:04.418-06:00I make my own on my web site. My system is simple....I make my own on my web site. My system is simple. I have the following on the book descriptions, and I feel it works very well...<br /><br />HEA-no/yes/atypical/HFN, VIOLENCE-none/low/moderate/high, LANGUAGE-none/low/moderate/high, SEX-none/traditional/sensual romance/erotic romance/erotica<br /><br />I also tend to use content advisories when necessary, for things like rape or attempted rape in the book.<br /><br />Honestly, something similar would work for any given site, and some publisher sites have a similar system for marking books.Brenna Lyonshttp://brennalyons.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5704943052235281766.post-17201423470942609712013-04-30T07:19:02.633-06:002013-04-30T07:19:02.633-06:00I would cycle between R and G. I like edgier myst...I would cycle between R and G. I like edgier mysteries and thrillers, but I also spend a great deal of time with cute kittens and cozy mysteries. Life is brutal and it's nice to have a break from the constant stream of violence. I am personally turned off by graphic sexual content, so I definitely want to be warned if I'm about to walk into erotica. In terms of horror, I love terrifying suspense but hate gore, so a heads up on that one would be appreciated as well. I would support a rating system.Diana Hurwitzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18216220574149672733noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5704943052235281766.post-61771286945692037102013-04-30T07:00:21.819-06:002013-04-30T07:00:21.819-06:00You made a good point Robin. I have seen an unoffi...You made a good point Robin. I have seen an unofficial rating system for romance novels in review sites to let a readers know the level of graphic sex in the book. And I have often mentioned in interviews that my mystery series would be rated PG13 for language and violence. I do not want people to pick up the books and then stop reading because they don't like the way Sarah cusses.Maryannwriteshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09479027709233807149noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5704943052235281766.post-68824668314871885722013-04-30T01:33:49.346-06:002013-04-30T01:33:49.346-06:00I totally agree with you that books should have co...I totally agree with you that books should have content advisory labels. My sister-in-law read GWTDT and highly recommended it, and I grilled her about the violence because I just can't stomach graphic violence anymore (having children made me soft). She didn't think it was too bad, but I wasn't convinced. It took a bit more research before I realised it wasn't a book for me, whereas a rating or warning notice would have saved me that time. I think it's important to let a potential reader know exactly what is in your product, whether that is genre, SLVN, or other controversial themes such as religion/politics/racism/sexism, etc.Elle Carter Nealhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02266309723919011181noreply@blogger.com